But seven year later, we know that wasn't true for him, and it's apparently not true for other people with MS.
Blood matters.
After Jeff's diagnosis I went to the library and read medical journals online. I read Dr. Roy Swank's research, and saw he noted this blood vessel breakdown, as evidenced by what he called, "capillary fragility" on the limbs of his MS patients during their relapses, manifesting as blood spots called petechiae. (see pic below.) He saw hypercoagulation in their serum, too. Dr. Swank knew it mattered. In 1958, he saw what I was seeing on Jeff's legs in 2007.
Additional evidence that blood vessel fragility
may be an important aspect of MS derives from
Swank's study in which he concluded that
MS is not confined primarily in or localized to the CNS: He observed small cutaneous hemorrhages in 77.4% of female patients observed repeatedly over a 5-9 year period. In 66.7% of
these patients, the hemorrhages were spontaneous. `Biopsies of 5 spontaneous hemorrhages,
where trauma could be confidently ruled out, revealed extravasated red blood cells infiltrating the
deeper layers of the derma and the subcutaneous
fat.' Swank goes on to state that `a number of
patients have described petechial hemorrhages in
large numbers after having their blood pressure
taken both under and distal to the cuff.' He notes
that the petechial hemorrhages are similar to sub-
cutaneous hemorrhages seen in capillary resistance studies.
Swank RL. Subcutaneous hemorrhages in multiple sclerosis. Neurology. 1958; 8: 497-498.
Swank RL. Subcutaneous hemorrhages in multiple sclerosis. Neurology. 1958; 8: 497-498.
Jeff's hypercoagulation and petechiae were related to his MS. Dr. Swank did not have the science of nitric oxide as EDRF in his time, but modern researchers have since connected hypercoagulation and clotting proteins as evidence of endothelial dysfunction and a break down of the blood brain barrier, and activation of the coagulation cascade. This research comes decades after Dr. Swank's discoveries, but confirms what he saw as "blood vessel fragility." We now know that endothelial dysfunction and a break in the BBB will affect the blood through out the body. Once the coagulation cascade is activated, it is systemic. And these extravasated red blood cells will leak and appear throughout the body. Just like Jeff's petechiae--and the break in his blood brain barrier.
The disruption of integrity of the walls of brain blood microvessels rapidly activates the coagulation cascade.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3268209/
The coagulation cascade plays a major role in the development of an inflammatory response in MS.
http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/110/9/1157.extract#
Here's more on this research from the Gladstone Institute.
A protein involved in blood clotting may be a new indicator to help detect multiple sclerosis (MS) lesions before symptoms arise. The presence of the clotting protein, thrombin, signals an early stage of the disease when the blood-brain barrier is breached and the brain’s immune response is set into motion. The research was presented at Neuroscience 2013, the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience and the world’s largest source of emerging news about brain science and health.
The researchers found that thrombin, usually a beneficial protein involved in blood clotting, builds up in the central nervous system as MS progresses. Thrombin enters in the brain together with fibrinogen, another clotting protein when the protective barrier between the blood and brain becomes leaky. Thrombin converts the fibrinogen to fibrin which activates brain’s immune cells that break down the protective myelin sheath that surrounds neurons in the central nervous system. Because thrombin levels increase as the disease progresses, the researchers conclude that it could be used as an early detector of the disease.
http://www.bioquicknews.com/node/1420
More researchers are noting this break in the endothelium, and detecting these microscopic bleeds in the MS brain. At the ISNVD conference, Dr. Yulin Ge recently discussed how 7T MRI technology is allowing us to see tiny hemorrhages in the MS brain which occur before demyelination. This further elucidates the microvascular connection to MS.
From his abstract at the ISNVD:
Being the most common demyelinating disease of the central nervous system, multiple sclerosis (MS)
MS has a significant microvascular pathological component as a consequence of the perivascular
inflammation. The role of vascular pathology in MS was suggested long ago. Now there is accumulating
evidence of a primary vascular pathogenesis in MS. In vivo studies of vascular and hemodynamic
impairment in MS may provide insights into the etiology and pathophysiology of MS and offer the
potential metrics for assessment of outcome of the disease.
Canadian microbiologists have recently published a paper on the iron around MS lesions, and link it to the vasculature and "chronic extravasation of hemoglobin", or microbleeds causing oxidative stress in the brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24504127
Dr. Zamboni saw the parallels of venous disease of the legs and MS, and wrote about iron deposition and the inflammatory response in his 2006 publication,
The Big Idea: Iron-dependent inflammation in venous disease and proposed parallels in multiple sclerosis http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633548/
These researchers would tell you that blood matters. When red blood cells enter brain tissue, there are serious repercussions--including oxidative stress, inflammation, iron deposition and an upregulation of clotting proteins. Why does the blood brain barrier become leaky, and allow plasmic particles access into brain tissue? The exact mechnism is not known, but it appears to be related to endothelial dysfunction. It may be venous hypertension, lack of shear stress, and hypoxic injury created by CCSVI which is compounded by environmental factors like diet, exercise, stress, UV rays, viral and bacterial infections and smoking. We need more research.
I'll keep writing about it, until the day when neurologists understand the connection of the red blood spots I saw on Jeff's legs, the lesions in his brain and spine, and his MS diagnosis.
Joan
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ReplyDeleteYou are welcome, Valid! I hope this information might help others. I keep writing --for our children and grandchildren, in the hopes MS research will teach us more about how to stop this disease process. Take care!
DeleteI too have petechiae all over my torso and upper arms, only a few on my legs, and have had MS for around 30 years. My daughter is now going through investigation for MS, so I am hooking you up with her if she IS diagnosed. You are the shrine in the desert, slaking our thirst for real knowledge. Thank you thank you
DeleteDear Saskia--sending prayers for you and your daughter. There is so much you can both do to remain healthy and hopeful. Strenghten your endothelium (the lining of your blood vessels) and do it together. http://www.ccsvi.org/index.php/helping-myself/endothelial-health
DeleteAll my life I have wondered what these red dots were for I was alarmed when as a teenager (18) I found similiar looking red dots on my chest. I attributed it to drinking too much alcohol that week-end with my friends. Thank you so much for this article. I was diagnosed with MS at the age of 39. Had CCSVI 3 years ago; totally changed my life. I am just now considering having it done again. I have also had proplems with the veins in my right leg only. Wow..just wow
ReplyDeleteHi Laurel. Yup, those are called "petechiae" and are related to leaky blood vessels, also called endothelial dysfunction. Dr. Swank would tell you to watch you fat intake--stay clear of transfats and processed foods. And bossy old me wrote up a whole program for my husband, to help him heal those spots on his legs, and in his brain. He's doing great, seven years later, no MS progression. Here's the program. Hope it helps! Keep moving and stay well. Joan http://ccsvi.org/index.php/helping-myself/endothelial-health
Delete(Google Translate-English Italy) My Idea, maybe genius or perhaps stupid. The same red dots on the skin, you are applying for a few minutes, directly on the skin, an ovoid shape made from a large leaf of agave or Agave Americana European all green, because it contains natural cortisone that our adrenal glands but, in case of potential MS, is excessive, THEREFORE, in these cases, it would be better to go to investigate the possible super-activity of the adrenal glands, measuring and / or detecting the cortisone in circulation! ; ITALY : Mia Idea, forse geniale o forse stupida . Gli stessi puntini rossi, sulla pelle, si hanno, applicando per pochi minuti, direttamente sulla pelle, una forma ovoidale ricavata da una grande foglia di Agave Americana o agave europea tutta verde, perché contenente CORTISONE Naturale, che le nostre ghiandole surrenali producono ma, in caso di potenziale SM, in modo eccessivo, QUINDI, in questi casi, meglio sarebbe andare ad indagare sulla eventuale super attività delle ghiandole surrenali, misurando e/o rilevando il cortisone in circolazione !!
DeleteJoan I had this as a child the doctor's said it was Itp. This all makes sense now thank you.
ReplyDeleteHi Emily--if your spots were ITP, or idiopathic thrombocytopenic pupura--that would be something confirmed with blood tests by your doctor to make that diagnosis. He would have seen antibodies in your blood after a bad viral infection. This happens to kids after chickenpox, and decreases the number of platelets in the blood...and usually clears up on its own. ITP is different than the petechial rash on my husband's legs--his came without virus, suddenly with his MS flare and was related to hypercoagulation. Hope that helps explain the difference. Take care!
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ReplyDeleteHi, Kenny, I don't think anyone with MS should donate Blood. Nobody knows what causes MS so nobody knows what you might be donating. And we already know that some MS is misdiagnosed Lyme. And Lyme is not something you would want to donate to anybody. Brian
ReplyDeleteHi Kenny--Having high hemoglobin (or a higher than average amount of the protein that is the main part of our red blood cells, and is responsible for carrying oxygen in the body) can certainly complicate this issue with your MS. I really do not know if donating blood would effect endothelial dysfunction --but it certainly known to reduce the amount of iron in the blood itself, and could reduce oxidative stress. All good things.
ReplyDeleteThere are lifestyle factors that raise hemoglobin which you should look at, as well--don't smoke, don't take anabolic steroids, make sure to stay hydrated. All of these factors can raise your hemoglobin levles. I'm not a doctor-- the best thing to do is talk to you doctor about why this is happening for you---is it hereditary? Do you live at high altitude? Do you have heart or kidney issues? But you really need the consult of a smart physician. Do your homework, get recommendations.
And in the meantime--do all you can to stay healthy by eating well, reducing stress, and moving. I wish you well!!
Also---to Kenny and Brian--you would not be "donating" your blood for others to use, per se. But you would be having blood removed, also called blood-letting (phlebotomies)--this can be hellpful, and is done in a doctor's office, as an outpatient procedure.
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ReplyDeleteThankyou always Joan
ReplyDeleteHé. .. I have got the same red spots on my belly and above there... I got MS too... though, my brother had equal spots, but not MS.... finally there's an explanation for the spots thanks
ReplyDeleteHé. .. I have got the same red spots on my belly and above there... I got MS too... though, my brother had equal spots, but not MS.... finally there's an explanation for the spots thanks
ReplyDeleteHé. .. I have got the same red spots on my belly and above there... I got MS too... though, my brother had equal spots, but not MS.... finally there's an explanation for the spots thanks
ReplyDeleteHi Suus----these spots, called petechiae, are a sign that the lining of our blood vessels is not working. Also called "endothelial dysfunction." Here's a program I created to help my husband heal. It's beneficial for all, whether or not one has MS. http://www.ccsvi.org/index.php/helping-myself/endothelial-health
DeleteAgain Joan you write so clearly, making difficult medical reports easier to understand. You also go further by explaining why life style is profoundly important to pwMS. Your research to help Jeff has helped thousands more. I believe there are many doctors who also have been helped by your research. I/we can never thank you enough for caring about all pwMS. Your brilliance and compassion give us understanding and HOPE. now, I hope you are coming to the CNHS CONFERENCE next weekend? 💖
ReplyDeleteThanks for the encouraging words, Bev! Yes, I will be in Vancouver next weeked, and will look forward to catching up with you and getting a big <>!
DeleteAgain Joan you write so clearly, making difficult medical reports easier to understand. You also go further by explaining why life style is profoundly important to pwMS. Your research to help Jeff has helped thousands more. I believe there are many doctors who also have been helped by your research. I/we can never thank you enough for caring about all pwMS. Your brilliance and compassion give us understanding and HOPE. now, I hope you are coming to the CNHS CONFERENCE next weekend? 💖
ReplyDeletePer CONOSCENZA, per SIMILITUDINE CON LA SLA ed SM , Probabile potenziale patologia del Prof. Paolo Zamboni : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4l34l717-w
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